Oric-1 Sound Mod HELP !

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Oric-1 Sound Mod HELP !

Post by RoboFruit » Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:19 am

So I did this sound mod quite some time ago and it worked http://www.48katmos.freeuk.com/soundmod.pdf.

When I recently had to dismantle my Oric-1 to repair the keyboard multiplexer I de-soldered and then put everything back together but thought it would be good to add an RCA socket rather than having the audio lead directly soldered to the switch. To my utter bemusement however when I plugged everything back in it didn't work. I can get sound to the internal speaker fine but switching to the external (speaker is in my 1084 monitor), I get nothing, nadda, not a thing.

I have not used a pot in my circuit, instead it looks like this...

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This is a picture of my mb with the wire traces...

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The only change I have made is to add a socket rather than having the lead going directly from the switch to the monitor via a wired RCA connection. I wonder if this has caused the issue but I have checked the connections and they are all good. What am I missing?

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Re: Oric-1 Sound Mod HELP !

Post by iss » Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:41 am

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1. Are the colors of the wires as on picture?
2. Check if the switch makes good connection in both positions
3. Take new picture with the RCA socket and the switch included....

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Re: Oric-1 Sound Mod HELP !

Post by RoboFruit » Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:22 pm

Hi,

Yes that colouring is correct. I will do some more testing.

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Re: Oric-1 Sound Mod HELP !

Post by Voyageur » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:02 am

Hi,
could you connect a speaker on your RCA plug, something like 8 ohm/half or 1 Watt ?
Just to hear (or not) any sound ?
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Re: Oric-1 Sound Mod HELP !

Post by Voyageur » Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:57 am

And also, because I can't see it, did you cut the track on the Oric board between the red and the grey wires ?
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Re: Oric-1 Sound Mod HELP !

Post by RoboFruit » Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:19 pm

Hi,

I did cut the track, yes. I have replaced the switch in case it was that. I got a brief blip from the monitor when I switch to it but then nothing. Switching back to the internal speaker works. I will see if I can get some PC speakers and test further.

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Re: Oric-1 Sound Mod HELP !

Post by iss » Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:32 pm

Check the cable from RCA to the 1084 monitor, check the switch on the 1084's back (if any) - is it in correct position?

Check again if the switch makes good connection in both positions - measure the resistance between the middle pin and the other two.
BTW, check the resistance between the left and the right pin too.

If everything looks good but no sound, then you can connect short temporary the left and the right pin of the switch.
So you should have sound from both the internal speaker and from the 1084.
If you have sound then somehow the switch is not working.
If you still not have sound from monitor then the problem should be in the RCA.

Take a picture of everything included the board, switch and the RCA. Ideally and the 1084 too :)

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Re: Oric-1 Sound Mod HELP !

Post by Voyageur » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:57 am

And after having checked everything, please consider that you actually want to use a second speaker way for a in-line sound of a monitor with built-in amplifier and speaker...
Maybe you face a problem of level adaptation.
The 1084 wiki says:
"Monitor input signals at the CINCH socket
1) Accumulated video signal : (1 V ± 0,5 Vss). impedance: 75 Ohm
with negative synchronisation
2) Audio signal : (150 mVeff - 2 Veff). imp.: 10 kOhm
3) Luminance signal : (1 V ± 0.1 Vpp). impedance: 75 Ohm
4) Chroma signal : (1 V ± 0.1 Vpp). impedance: 75 Ohm"

The impedance of the input is far away of the Oric speaker (8 Ohm). And so is the voltage : the on-board LM 386 amplifier of the Oric is able to push up to 5 V ! Much more than you want (2 Volt eff max) !

I would suggest to use a potentiometer between your RCA and the monitor. A 10 k is enough good for this purpose. Just in order to reduce the Oric's exit level...

I hope that it could be useful. Maybe I'm wrong, but you could try this if your components are good....
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edit : the Oric's speaker is 25 Ohm (not 8 Ohm)
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Re: Oric-1 Sound Mod HELP !

Post by RoboFruit » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:07 pm

This has got me thinking. When this MOD last worked I had no less than 5 systems sharing the audio input of the 1084 via splitter leads and adapters. This would add resistance right? I remember when I had one with a loose connection I would find the Oric wouldn't output sound tonthe monitor until I plugged it back in. My setup now is that I just use the 1084 sound with my speccy and the Oric and this is when the problems started.

I am going to install a pot. I am not really bothered about the sound going to the monitor anyway, volume control on the Oric is the main thing I am after.

Many thanks again for the pointers, I will get back with my progress.

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Re: Oric-1 Sound Mod HELP !

Post by Voyageur » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:09 pm

volume control on the Oric is the main thing I am after
I have published a way to control Oric's volume in the Oric.org website, see forum and look for "REGLAGE DU SON DE L'ORIC".
Sorry, it is in flag_fr , but you can use the schematics. Hope that could help you.
Maybe I have to translate it for defence-force.org ? :idea:

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Re: Oric-1 Sound Mod HELP !

Post by RoboFruit » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:24 pm

I am in business!! I have installed a pot and it has resolved my issues. I can now get sound both from the internal speaker and the monitor.

Thanks so much for all the pointers. Now I can actually try out the loader android app which I was hassling @iss about! :lol:

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Re: Oric-1 Sound Mod HELP !

Post by Voyageur » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:32 am

Happy to see that everything's fine.
Where did you put the pot ?
It could be useful for other "aficionados" (and I am one) to show the way you solved the problem. :D
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Re: Oric-1 Sound Mod HELP !

Post by RoboFruit » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:44 pm

Here is where I have housed the pot. I had to relocate the crystal component to the top of the board to allow it to fit otherwise it wouldn't turn.

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Re: Oric-1 Sound Mod HELP !

Post by Chema » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:36 am

Despite the drilling of an Oric case (something I will never get used to), I find your solution really nice. Congrats!

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