Vista and euphoric: incompatible ?

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Vista and euphoric: incompatible ?

Post by maximus » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:04 pm

hi all, i've got a new PC, a lenovo, it works perfect

fine ! :D

but with Vista, euphoric doesn't run at all :?

actually, like millions of people in the world, i cannot play with Oric Games :?

some says > use multiboot system, perhaps dosbox is ok

hum too difficult for most people, noob like me.

i think it's the greatest problem for Oric future

no ?

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Post by Dbug » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:16 pm

I will hide my feelings toward this wonderful new operating system from Microsoft, and try to be helpful :)

- Have you tried running it through the command line to see if there is some informative error message ?

- Have you tried playing with the compatibility options ?

- Have you tried Caloric for windows ?

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Post by waskol » Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:32 am

Well, I would say that euphoric could work in VISTA if and only if the new video drivers scheme would not be what it is...

The thing is that alike with many other DOS programs you will have this wonderfull : "This system does not support full screen mode".

It is a side-effect of Vista's new WDDM ("Windows
Display Driver Model") graphics drivers. WDDM drivers in Vista do not
support full-screen mode for DOS apps.

Why ? Because :
1) DOS programs are not allowed by the Vista graphic drivers to enter Full screen mode.
2) Resolutions lower than 640x480 are no longer implemented in Vista graphic drivers.

So... The only way to run Euphoric is to change or use different graphic drivers.

1st solution :
You install XP graphic drivers instead of Vista Graphic drivers (I swear it works).

2nd solution :
You use standard VGA drivers that come with VISTA : If you press "F8" at boot and select "VGA Mode" can you see the screen?
You can also run your vista in "Safe mode", enabling VGA drivers.
I know it is not very handly but do you have the choice ?

I resume :
The workaround is to use a non-WDDM graphics driver. The standard VGA Driver supplied with Vista uses an XPDM ("XP Driver Model"), so it does not have the same limitation.
Also, graphics drivers designed for XP rather than Vista, can often permit a full-screen DOS app. Of course, you'll loose all the goofy, whizz-bang Aero graphics in Vista, by using an older driver - but your application can still run.


At last, thhe other solution, is to create a double boot, installing a second OS.
You can, for instance, intall XP, or freedos : http://www.freedos.org/
It will run on your brand new PC, and there are also some nice Graphical User Interfaces with it in order to be in a Windows like environment.

Finally, I wonder if it is possible to install Freedos on an USB Key with euphoric on it, and boot from the USB Key.
I know there exist some USB drivers for FreeDos, but I never gave a try to this possibility.

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Post by waskol » Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:57 am

At last, if you want an bootable USB Key running MSDOS, follow this tutorial :
http://www.dashken.net/index.php?/archi ... y-Way.html

Or download this tool made by HP :
http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/userre ... views.html# :wink:

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Post by Dbug » Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:56 pm

I guess somebody could also try to do an installer for Euphoric+DosBox pre-installing everything in one fancy package...

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Post by Chema » Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:09 pm

Dbug wrote:I guess somebody could also try to do an installer for Euphoric+DosBox pre-installing everything in one fancy package...
Yep. I think that would be a good solution.

However, in the meantime, I would suggest using virtualPC with MS-DOS. It works quite well, even with sound. Unless under XP, but I guess it would also under Vista.

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Post by waskol » Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:32 pm

hmmm... The only concerns with DosBox is that :
- it is soooooooo slowwwwww....
- Most of all, fullscreen is like for Euphoric, not allowed (try it !)

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Post by maximus » Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:22 am

thanks a lot for advices, but hard so hard

common user is not able to try technical difficulties

without a new emulator compatible with Vista or an easy solution ...

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Post by maximus » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:49 am

i can play at last, thanks Waskol !

i use Virtual PC which emule a PC, which makes run Windows95 which can launch euphoric :lol:

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Post by mmu_man » Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:50 pm

Tried my Caloric port yet ?

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Post by maximus » Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:34 pm

:D salut mmu, tu es de valence, aussi en français ça ira très bien

oui j'ai essayé, mais je n'ai pas réussi à comprendre comment il fallait l'installer, toute ces docs techniques en anglais, moi je ne supporte plus, c'est déjà chiant de devoir bidouiller des heures pour arriver à faire fonctionner un émulateur alors en plus me farcir une traduction, c'est plus de mon age basta ! :lol:

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Post by mmu_man » Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:57 pm

Normalement juste dézipper dans Program Files...
sauf que le chemin est hardcodé, et si je me rappelle Vista a changé le nom (stupide!), donc il faut recréer C:\Program Files\Caloric\
Je crois me rappeller que quelqu'un avait essayé à la VIP mais que ça ne marchait pas...
Là je peux pas aider, je n'ai pas Vista et je n'ai pas l'intention d'acheter un OS plein de DRM, déjà le XP ne me sert que pour des raisons d'interopérabilité (vilaines applis proprio!) :D

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Post by maximus » Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:41 am

merci mmu, ce sujet c'est VISTA et EUPHORIC or Caloric c'est bien pour LINUX ?
nous devrions donc continuer ds l'autre sujet :wink:

tu m'expliques de le copier ds le dossier Windows :?:

or Xeuphoric/Caloric doivent être installés ds Linux, qq chose m'échappe, je dois pas être el seul :oops: je dois faire quoi exactement lancer Ubuntu ou windows ?

ne soyez pas surpris de ces questions qui vous semblent simples et qui ne le sont pas pour moi, et tant d'autres :D



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Rem: on est pas les seuls à être lassés de windows et ses upgrades pourris sans intérêts, mon éditeur de logiciel pro (médical), m'a fait acheté un PC neuf avec XP, qui sera supprimé en janvier, afin de ne pas avoir de problèmes, effectivement j'ai un réseau de 3 PC neufs équipés de XP qui ronronne nickel, j'ai même pu utiliser mon vieux modem56k, alors qu'avec Vista 1000 soucis s'annoncaient.

et on se demande bien pour quel bénéfice ? sinon celui de microsoft...

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Post by mmu_man » Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:32 pm

Non j'ai fait un portage de Caloric sous Windows:
http://revolf.free.fr/oric/Caloric.win32.test.zip
l'exe ici est + à jour, mais il risque de ne plus marcher du tout, je ne me rappelle plus:
http://revolf.free.fr/oric/caloric.exe à remplacer dans \Program Files\Caloric\.

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Post by maximus » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:17 am

:D ok merci, ou ça démarre sans probleme sous vista, avec les 2 versions de caloric d'ailleurs, mais par contre la fenetre est toute petite

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